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Avoid Wrong TV Strategies

Stop Losing Money with the Wrong TradingView Strategies

In the fast-paced world of trading, both traditional and digital, profiting seems tempting. Yet, this allure often leads newcomers to fall prey to misleading strategies. A common platform used to automate these strategies is TradingView, but it can be fraught with pitfalls. This lesson delves into the intricate world of TradingView strategies and settings, exploring why they may not deliver the promised profits and how these concepts apply to both traditional markets and the burgeoning cryptocurrency ecosystem we call home.

Core Concepts

  1. Backtesting:

    • Traditional Finance: Backtesting involves testing a trading strategy using historical data to estimate its effectiveness.
    • Crypto Context: The same principle applies to cryptocurrencies, where traders evaluate past market behavior to gauge future performance.
    • Importance: Understanding how to backtest ensures that you’re not blindly committing funds to a strategy without evidence of its viability.
  2. Drawdown:

    • Traditional Finance: Drawdown refers to the decrease from a peak to a trough in the value of an investment portfolio.
    • Crypto Context: In crypto, drawdown is crucial due to the notorious volatility, and knowing your maximum drawdown can help manage risk.
    • Importance: Recognizing drawdown helps in crafting strategies that better manage future risks.
  3. Commission Fees:

    • Traditional Finance: These are the fees charged by brokers for executing trades.
    • Crypto Context: Crypto exchanges also impose fees, which can significantly impact profitability.
    • Importance: Understanding fees is essential to calculating true returns, ensuring you’re not blindsided by costs.
  4. Leverage:

    • Traditional Finance: Leverage involves using borrowed funds to increase potential returns (and risks).
    • Crypto Context: Similarly, cryptos commonly allow for margin trading, which amplifies both gains and potential losses.
    • Importance: Grasping leverage’s nature is vital to avoid overextending yourself in the market.
  5. Repainting Strategies:

    • Traditional Finance: Refers to the adjustment of past data or signals based on new information, leading to misleading results.
    • Crypto Context: In the crypto realm, repainting can create false impressions about a strategy’s success based on future knowledge.
    • Importance: Recognizing repainting assists in filtering out poor strategies that won’t hold up under scrutiny.
  6. Look-Ahead Bias:

    • Traditional Finance: Occurs when a strategy uses insights that wouldn’t have been available at the time of trading.
    • Crypto Context: This can happen with poorly coded trading algorithms, leading to inflated backtest results.
    • Importance: Understanding this bias can prevent you from investing in strategies that ONLY look good on paper, not in practice.
  7. Pinescript:

    • Traditional Finance: A programming language for creating custom indicators and strategies on TradingView.
    • Crypto Context: Same concept, only with the added complexity of crypto data nuances.
    • Importance: Familiarity with Pinescript can empower you to adapt strategies to better suit market conditions.

Key Steps

Understanding TradingView Strategies

  • Identify and Assess:

    • Be cautious of strategies that promise unrealistic returns (e.g., 3600% profit).
    • Always look for potential red flags, such as massive profits combined with high drawdowns.
  • Settings Examination:

    • Check the order size and ensure it accurately reflects your available capital.
    • Test with different sizes to understand the performance implications.
  • Commission and Slippage:

    • Research your exchange’s commission structure; use realistic values in strategies.
    • Understand that slippage affects trade execution, especially in volatile markets.

Testing and Optimization

  • Backtesting Your Strategy:

    • Use historical data to test how your strategy would have performed under similar market conditions.
    • Adjust parameters such as order size and commission to better reflect real-world trading.
  • Avoid Repainting:

    • Always disable any repainting features in your strategy to avoid skewed results.
    • Keep strategies updated to the latest version of Pinescript to mitigate bugs.

Monitoring Performance

  • Regular Review:
    • Keep tabs on how your strategy plays out in live markets compared to backtested results.
    • Adjust and tweak your strategies as needed based on live feedback.

Learning and Adapting

  • Access the Community:
    • Engage with the TradingView community to stay updated on strategies and their performance.
    • Explore resources — such as the Gaussian Channel strategy mentioned — that others find effective.

 

Crypto Trading

Ensuring that your strategy is situated within a broader context of how financial transactions are handled on blockchain platforms can open your eyes to the reliability of such strategies. Here are a few points to consider:

  • Ensure your understanding of fees, slippage, and drawdowns reflect the operational mechanics of the decentralized exchanges you plan to use.

  • Be aware that the volatility inherent in cryptocurrency markets can lead to more pronounced slippage and drawdowns when compared to traditional assets.

Real-World Applications

If we explore historical data from both trading environments, it becomes apparent how quickly fortunes can change based on market sentiment and core psychological drivers of investors. Just as you might have chased a stock based on fabricated backtest results, the allure of alternate cryptocurrencies can lead to similar mistakes.

In traditional finance, for example, you might remember the dot-com bubble, where investors poured money into promising, yet ultimately doomed, tech stocks. A comparable phenomenon occurs in crypto with coins that suddenly surge but lack fundamental value.

Challenges and Solutions

  • Challenges:

    • Users encountering unpredictable strategies leading to substantial losses.
    • Fund misallocations due to misjudged commission fees and market volatility.
  • Solutions:

    • Implement risk management techniques, like stop-loss orders.
    • Invest time in education and community engagements, like joining Telegram groups, that can provide guidance and support.

Key Takeaways

  1. Cautious Optimism: Recognize that high short-term profits can often be misleading.
  2. Understand Drawdown: Be prepared for the uncertainty that comes with both traditional stocks and cryptocurrencies.
  3. Factor in Commissions: Always calculate real returns by considering all associated fees.
  4. Leverage Wisely: Employ leverage to maximize gains cautiously — don’t gamble your entire portfolio.
  5. Avoid Repainting Scripts: Stick with reputable strategies that don’t utilize misleading scripting.
  6. Engage with the Community: Networking can provide invaluable insights and support.
  7. Stay Educated: Always keep learning from both successes and mistakes to refine your trading techniques.

Discussion Questions and Scenarios

  1. Evaluate a time when you placed blind trust in a strategy based solely on backtest results—what would you do differently now?
  2. How might the differences in slippage between traditional and crypto markets affect trading strategies?
  3. Discuss how leveraging a community like Telegram can enhance your trading experience.
  4. Compare and contrast the approaches of managing commissions in traditional finance versus cryptocurrency exchanges.
  5. Imagine discovering a script that claims 5000% profitability—what steps would you take before risking capital?
  6. In what ways do you think look-ahead bias can be eradicated from trading algorithms?
  7. Reflect on what good risk management looks like—how can you apply this to your crypto trading approaches?

Glossary

  • Backtest: Simulating a trading strategy against historical data to evaluate its effectiveness.
  • Drawdown: Measure of decline from a peak to a trough in an investment.
  • Commission Fees: Costs associated with executing trades on a platform.
  • Leverage: Use of borrowed capital as a funding source when investing.
  • Repainting Strategies: Trading strategies that change historical performance data, leading to an inaccurate representation of success.
  • Look-Ahead Bias: Occurs when the results use information that wouldn’t have been available in real time.
  • Pinescript: A scripting language specialized for creating custom technical analysis indicators and strategies in TradingView.

Remember, the road to trading success requires diligence and a keen eye for detail. Educating yourself on these aspects helps you not just in crypto but truly in any trading endeavor you embark upon.

Continue to Next Lesson

As you embark on this journey through the Crypto Is FIRE (CFIRE) training program, keep this newfound knowledge close to your trading heart. The next lesson awaits, packed with insights to further sharpen your skills in navigating both the crypto world and traditional finance!

 

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Stop Losing Money with WRONG TradingView Strategies and Settings!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkRS3ke6rM
Transcript:
 That’s right, guys, you are being misled  by TradingView strategies.  You’re seeing numbers like this, for example,  and you think that now you’re gonna get rich very quickly.  And the first thing you do is you go  and you simply automate the strategy,  you put your money, and then you hope for the best.  But let me tell you, that’s why I do this video,  that you can spot if this strategy  can actually really give you the result  or if it’s actually a scam.
 It’s not a scam because they  wanted to make a scam but because they’re just bad developers okay so this particular strategy  here is the best example for that it’s on the 15 minute time frame and it makes a massive amount  of money right even if you go to the back test here the deep back test and you say hey how much money did it make from 2024 and you see 80 000 profit right  with just four percent drawdown that is amazing michael right why wouldn’t i take this freaking  strategy and put all of my money i’m exaggerating of course and then i’d be rich i don’t need
 anything else let’s go no but why michael i want to get rich quickly well because the strategy is losing 144 percent  okay and how can it lose more than 100 well because the settings are wrong and because the  strategy is developed wrong so i will show you guys how you can figure out if your strategy that  you’re looking at has this problem that this one has most likely if you have massive profit numbers  then that is the reason one of the reasons in this  video will explain why your strategy especially on the short term yeah especially on the short
 term if you have like 20 000 profit 100 000 a million percent profit okay then one of the  reasons in this video will be responsible for that and if none of the reasons that I mentioned here  are actually part of your strategy setup and your strategy’s code, then you have found the perfect strategy.
 So that means you  have to watch the whole video to figure out which things to look out for. And this way, guys, you can  be ahead of the herd, which is also why you subscribe to this channel, because I’m giving  you higher chances of success by giving you the education and the knowledge and the software and  actually even the support in Telegram.
 If you join thegram link is down below you will have the benefit of being able to  chat with me and with the other members and being ahead of the herd once more that’s the whole point  right you need to be better than the rest of the people that are losing money okay anyway this is  my introduction now let me show you how to spot bs strategies and how to avoid bad settings let’s go okay guys i want to  add the strategy to my chart fully fresh from the start so i’m gonna search for it i’m gonna click  on it by the way don’t use this strategy it’s a bad example of a bad strategy okay so i’m adding
 it to the chart it’s on the 15 minute bitcoin chart and it makes 3600 whatever percent profit  now doesn’t look that bad right but let’s  go to the settings here and let’s instead of ten thousand dollars let’s put thousand dollars right  and let’s see what happens to the numbers now it makes more money what the hell how can it make  more profit more percentage profit when i put less money it should be the same right then i put less  money it makes even more money uh what is happening here  guys it’s a bit spooky right no actually it’s not it’s the first setting that you need to understand
 is the order size is one contract and if it’s one contract then a contract can be very expensive  right because one bitcoin is 60k right now so if it goes and buys one bitcoin but you only have 100 bucks initial capital then  it looks like you got bitcoin for free because trading view allows you to do that kind of stupid  stuff especially if you work with absolute numbers and the reason why they allow it is because they  have to allow people to create strategies like dca and in dca you’re actually adding more money into
 the strategy right money that wasn’t there before you’re adding adding more money into the strategy, right? Money that wasn’t there before. You’re adding, adding, adding, adding, right? And so they have this feature, but you can misuse it  as well, okay? So a setting like one contract is not good, okay? That’s a bad setting.
 So you need  to go to percent of equity. Now, if you go to percent of equity, then you have to choose what  percentage to give. Now, let’s give the strategy the benefit of the doubt. Okay,  let’s put 100%. So it takes 100% of the money that it has available and reinvest it, reinvest it,  reinvest it forever. Okay. Now, this is not what you should be doing with your real money.
 But this  is for testing, backtesting, right? So if this strategy has a low drawdown, and it actually has  a low drawdown of 3.6%, which is quite nice, then you could do that, right?  But for testing the strategy, if you actually like it in general, you can put 100.  And then later on, you try with lower numbers, right?  And see how it performs then.
 But that’s how I like to do it, to stress test it.  If I give it all the money all the time, can it deal with it, right?  Can it actually keep the drawdown low and also a lot  of net profit cool now the next thing that you need to know after learning this is that you cannot  have a commission of zero okay a commission of zero doesn’t make any sense any exchange will want  money from you right and they should right they should stay alive by making money okay and how do  you find out what the commission is for the exchange that you’re using well it’s quite easy go to google and google it right buy bit fees buy bit fees trading fees click that’s it guys this
 is the fee table quite simple if you’re not a vip then you pay 0.1 and why not use 0.1 worst  case scenario right if you have vip levels you might pay less it’s all nice but if you are below  certain amount of volume and they explain  it all here then you pay 0.
1 now for example there are other exchanges let me go back here  like kraken fees they are very expensive okay so fee structure first link guys okay it’s very  simple okay so you go down and you can see here that on the spot you pay for the taker taker is  when you do market orders you pay 0.4 which is massive okay  so that means not that they’re idiots right but it means that they don’t want people who trade on  the short term because on the short term you have so many trades you pay them so much money it  doesn’t make sense so they want to encourage people to use their exchange for longer term
 strategies and by the way at the end of the video i will give you such a strategy that will work  longer term even on kraken but keep in mind okay that this fee here needs to match with what you  have in trading view otherwise it’s unrealistic so 0.1 is something that is way more realistic  now as you have seen right you see how much it has changed the profit so if i go from zero or back to zero then it makes 32 800 which is massive  of course because you get trading for free right but if you don’t get trading for free you pay 0.1
 which a lot of people will then you already have 10 800 less percent points that’s huge okay just  like keep in mind and also you cannot have slippage of zero guys okay because  you’re on a 15 minute chart and on those charts prices are moving very fast and if you send an  order it will take a little bit to get executed right so you don’t get exactly the price that  is on your screen okay because time has to pass physics guys okay the speed of light in any case  let’s put three ticks here to be more realistic but as you can see it doesn’t really
 change the result much so that’s actually good oh guys i have to show you one more thing going back  to the settings never guys never activate this checkbox because if you activate this checkbox  it will constantly calculate and it might get into a trade but then the candle closes in a  different way and it’s actually not in a trade, but you are already in a trade  because it does intraday or intracandle calculations.
 So in order to not get wrecked, okay,  because this is repainting, right?  It’s a repainting problem.  In order to not get wrecked,  please deactivate this before you automate the strategy.  Actually keep it deactivated forever, okay?  It’s better to not touch this checkbox.  This checkbox has lost people a lot of money okay just  leave it deactivated and now let’s continue and now we have a strategy that makes 20 000 profit  okay but how realistic is this freaking result because if it is right then we can put all our
 money and call it a day right but there is one bug in this strategy that you cannot spot easily.  That’s why you subscribe to this channel.  And it’s just based on the version of the code of the strategy.  So there is Pinescript and the Pinescript is the language in which these strategies are written.  And the problem is that the old versions of Pinescript have a bug. And if you’re using a particular function which this strategy is using, you can get screwed.
 Because then the results look better  than they are okay so this bug is very hidden and that’s why i’m showing you all right so you don’t  get wrecked so i will click this button up there to copy the code into my own strategy that i can  then edit but i will edit only one number and that’s the version number of pine script i will  keep the code as it is and it will start losing money massively  guys okay and so if you are running this strategy in real life those would be the real numbers so  let me show you how that works okay so i will now click on this button here so this is the code but
 i can’t edit this right because it’s the code of the other guy so i will click here on create a  working copy and then here i will change  the title i will say real the real mega crypto bot strategy i will just delete this because we don’t  need this short title and i want to change this one number okay i will change it from version 2  to version 3.
 that’s it okay the logic of the strategy is the same now let’s save this  save it here and now let’s add it to the chart, guys.  And before I show you the numbers,  we need to actually make sure  that we have the same settings for this strategy  as we have with the other one  because otherwise it’s not fair, right?  So we have 1,000 bucks.  We have 100%, right?  100%.  We have 0.1% commission.
 We have a slippage of three.  We have this checkbox off.  So let’s go.  Now, this is the real result of this strategy, guys, okay? percent commission we have a slippage of three we have this checkbox off so let’s go now this  is the real result of this strategy guys okay and as you can see it loses almost 60 percent of the  equity right i mean uh let me go back to the other one right this one makes 20 000 same time frame  okay same everything same settings same everything is the same strategy okay it’s just interpreted
 from the pine script version three okay but why the hell is okay it’s just interpreted from the pine script  version 3. okay but why the hell is it such a big difference in the performance numbers and how can  you spot it yourself okay by the way i noticed that it’s not the same settings because i didn’t  put initial capital to 100 but guys the percentage number is exactly the same right so we’re looking  only at the percentage numbers now it’s exactly at the same initial capital as well, but it’s still a bad strategy. So why the hell, again, is it so bad? Well,
 because of one function. And if I scroll way down, I can see here, the strategy is entering a long  position here, right? And here it is entering a short position, by the way, because it’s  parameting zero, whenever it opens a short, it automatically closes the long and the  other way around. So it doesn’t have more than one position at any point in time.
 But anyway,  the problem here is that it’s using the function called security and security has a feature called  look ahead. Look ahead, guys. That sounds like looking into the future, which is exactly what  it is. Okay. Now the problem with this function is that in version  number two and number one of pine script this was set to true to on guys like what the hell  who is setting this stupid thing to on by default now the default value of this look ahead is off  now from version three onwards okay so that is why now when you set the strategy to version three onwards. Okay, so that is why now when you set the strategy to version three,
 you’re getting the actual result  that you would get in real life.  And for the people wondering  what the security function even does,  it’s fetching price information from a particular chart.  So you can fetch price information  for a completely different symbol,  different chart and different timeframe.
 But in this case, it’s fetching it from the same ticker,  right, so the same chart, but the period is fixed,  which is quite cool because basically,  if the user is moving around different timeframes,  daily, five days, one week, one month,  the strategy always uses internally the same timeframe  to calculate its trades, which can be very helpful.
 So that’s why this is used.  But well, the problem is that it has this bug  with the look ahead.  I call it the bug because it should never have been  turned on by default.  And so this is how people can, without even knowing,  they can create strategies that look like they’re very profitable, but they’re not.
 Now, the problem that you have now is how do you know even that this is the issue, right?  Well, what you can do is you can do a couple of things, right?  So you can click on these three dots here and then you can go about this script and when you scroll down because this is an open source  script which a lot of them are you can see it’s version two so that’s already a problem you should  never use version two scripts because they can have this and other issues and then when you expand  the code and you just search for security if you find that you already know it’s bad okay just don’t use
 it and also you can read the comments i even left a comment here to protect people from using this  okay but in any case this is something you can do right but the easier thing to do is simply avoid  scripts that are version one or version two and they have to mention the version there is no other  way they have to put it here and the only thing is if it’s a hidden script right where you don’t see the code then maybe require somebody to send you a screenshot of  only this top portion or the settings on the top portion just so you know what you’re dealing with
 but version 2 is definitely not good and you have another benefit that trading view doesn’t really  like when people publish scripts with the old languages with the old versions so they will  basically bend and they will just take them offline right so only the ones that are very old and they won’t  check them anymore those can be a problem but new fresh ones they have to be version 5 and version  5 is okay right so this is a massive problem that you can run into if you don’t know about this  problem and again guys right it’s a massive difference in performance. If you see this performance, you will put all of your money. Okay. And this is very risky, guys.
 Okay, you should not put all of your money. And this is why you’re again, you’re subscribing to  this channel, because I’m sharing this information with you guys. I’m an engineer myself. So I  figured this stuff out. And then I share it with you. So guys, I wanted to get rich quick, I wanted  to automate this strategy. And I wanted to use Signum for that. Because with Signum, I wanted to get rich quick.
 I wanted to automate this strategy and I wanted to use Signum for that  because with Signum,  I can automate any trading strategy in seconds  without touching the code whatsoever.  Like, of course not, right?  And this would be so easy, right?  But then after I looked at all of these things  that I just mentioned in this video,  I found that it’s actually gonna lose me money, right?  So of course I don’t wanna lose my money,  but if you want a good strategy, right,  that you can fully automate on your own exchanges then get the gaussian channel strategy  the gaussian channel by the way is not meant for the 15 minutes it’s not meant for 30 minutes right
 it’s not meant for one hour it’s not meant for four hour because those are time frames where you  don’t have a high chance of success it’s meant for the one day chart and it works on many assets it’s a free strategy  it’s one of mine I want to help people with this so if your portfolio is below 10k then consider  using this strategy it makes thousand eight hundred percent profit with the same settings  here that you have heard also in this video since 2018 you don’t have to change any of these other
 settings 2018 is just the start where I start testing all of my strategies okay guys now this strategy works on solana as well and it works on  other coins so go and have fun with it in order to get access you need to come to our telegram  the link is down below and just say hey i want access to the strategy this is my tradingview  username please give me access and boom you will get access it’s a free strategy this is one of  the better strategies that you will find on the internet because it’s fully free, okay?
 Having a good strategy that is free is very, very hard.  Very, very hard.  But that’s why, again, you are here  because I’m here to help you guys, okay?  So you take this freaking strategy,  you automate it with Signum,  which takes you freaking 10 seconds, okay?  If you do it right, you create an alert,  you copy paste something here,  you click create.
 It’s easy, guys, okay?  And so then you just leave it alone. This is the way the way in my opinion if you’re searching for short-term  trading strategies then you can run into the issues that i just shown you before that you  have strategies that basically mess with you because they are not really profitable it just  looks like they might be but you have to take care of all the settings but now because you watch this  video you know how to test it before you  lose money, guys, right? So if you like all of that, make sure to destroy the like button,
 subscribe to this channel, and put a freaking comment, guys, okay? Put a comment if this video  helped you, okay? I see you in Telegram, and this is the next video you should watch. It’s trade and view Uh-huh Ooh yeah  Ooh yeah  Strategies, we know what to do  Yeah  Do yeah  Yeah  Stop loss, I said  Watch the bars rise and fall